Summer Transfer Window 2015

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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Mdot » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:28 pm

Pizzi on the wings worked better then I expected. The more I think back on that game the better I feel about the first team. I know we have some weak spots but in the first half we had almost 60% possession, PSG could barely get out of their half. I found that Pizzi kept tracking back and added pressure in the mid-field when needed. Our defenders barely had to do much in that half. We also had double the shots (a couple luckly ones off the post). We dominated that PSG side and it could have easily been 4-1 before half time.

Second half was good for all the kids to get some playing time but with so many subs, they totally lost their flow. A bad slip by Lindelof and poor save by Lopes cost us the game. I know Lopes is a club man but he's never going to be our main keeper. We should be giving some time to Ederson as he'll likely be our #2 this season in net.

Also I barely noticed Nelson on the field until he almost tied it up in the last 2mins of the game with that chip. If he would have tied it up, I think people would be talking better of him but at some point the idea of him playing for our team will die out. I think if he can't do something this preseason, not only should he be loaned out but I bet both the club and player will want to part ways. Hopefully he can still pull it off.

As for the Eliseu comments, I can confirm that he looked like total shit when we met the team in person at the airport. I've seen older men look fresher after a flight. Hopefully he gets match fit quickly because he's a key player due to the lack of depth we have in our fullbacks.

I hope Nico doesn't get sold. I don't know how he normally is during the season. At the airport, when the got to the game, and when the bus left after the game, he dogged the fans the most. I know some players don't like the attention but most of the other players took time with the fans. I just hope his heart isn't set on leaving.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Ed Gomes » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:06 pm

I just wanted to point out that it might have seemed like a 4-4-2 formation due to the names on the lineup, but Jonas mostly sat behind Lima and tracked back. When Talisca went into that role, he did much of the same. I would say it played more like a 4-1-3-1-1.

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I disagree, I just feel that Nelson will never amount to anything. He's the guy that will forever frustrate.

I also saw that Djuricic is currently wanted by Southhampton again. But from what I recall he underwhelmed while their as well. Not sure they'll pay the 12 mil we're asking.

If Eliseu wasn't Portuguese, he would have been run out of town already.

On that note, word of Coentrao possibly coming back again. I've always been against people coming back, unless it was a goodbye tour like Rui Costa. His salary is ridiculous, and he has been injury prone. I would prefer not to do what Porto seems to be doing, which is bringing in older established players. I get it if they are final pieces, but I'm sorry Casillas and Maxi are not final pieces for a title. Maxi will most definitely help this campaign, if his legs have recovered, but he'll be diminished goods at a high cost in the coming years. Casillas will have to do a lot of improving, to get back to what he was.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby BC/SLB » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:39 pm

Thanks for the update on the formation, Ed. Yeah i think tactical flexibility and with regard to formation will be vital to us having a much better performance in the CL this coming season. This was one of my criticisms of JJ, he was too rigid tactically and perhaps too faithful to the 4-4-2, which worked well in the Liga, but in the CL it was too predictable and left us exposed defensively way too often.

Hopefully Vitoria will manage to be a lot more flexible. I think Jonas will be key to this because he's so versatile in the attacking third. Can play as a second striker in 4-4-2, as a lone striker, or even as a wide attacking player (where he usually played in Spain) in a 4-2-3-1. In the CL next season that's what I'd like to see: Lima (or Jonathan) as the CF, with Jonas on one side, Nico (or hopefully a replacement if he gets sold) on the other, and a 3 man midfield including two deep lying ones to give us more defensive strength.

But overall, versatility and flexibility will be key next season, and is an area I genuinely believe we can improve on from the JJ years, next season and beyond.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Mdot » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:32 pm

Didn't follow much news today, just logged on to see that Lima is gone to the middle east. Found the transfer fee is for 7 million for him.

This really opens up a spot for Jonathan & Nelson. These next few pre-seasons will be critical for both players.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Ed Gomes » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:04 pm

I know that Lima will be a loss, but to get 7 million for a 32 year old when it only cost us 4 million three years ago, is incredible. I can't believe that we actually made a profit.

That being said, I'm very nervous about current options. I will continually say Nelson just isn't good enough. He's failed at lower level clubs, and at talented club like Swansea which played our style of football, he couldn't get it done.
Jonathan is very raw and is going to have to step it up big.
I could see us bringing someone in.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby inMotionSLB » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:05 pm

Lima clearly going for the last payout... Rodriguez needs to step up now and show what he's made of
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby BC/SLB » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:45 am

Well I don't know if the Lima sale is official yet, the press particularly in Portugal are not to be trusted all the time and often officialise things too quickly. But if it is indeed official, then we definitely need to buy a new goalscorer.

I agree with Ed, Nelson Oliveira just isn't good enough to be starting for a big team like SLB. Have you seen his goals per game ratio for the various teams he's played for? Its something like 1/8, which frankly ain't good enough for a striker.

Lima was getting 20 goals a season for us and those goals will have to be replaced. Jonathan Rodriguez looks to have a lot of potential, but he's still young and green and new to playing in Europe. If lima is gone then we need to get in an established striker to replace him, no doubt.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Mdot » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:36 am

Good point on the Lima sale. Supposedly the Arab club jumped the guy saying the deal is done. Lima was benched all yesterday. The newest stories are that they are debating on the transfer fee. 4 million is the offer and SLB want 7 million.

I agree that if they get 7 million for a player his age, it's not a bad deal. His goals will be missed but at this point we don't know when those goals will stop. However if that other club doesn't want to pay, I would be happy seeing him stay on. Him and Jonas have a good partnership. If he doesn't play on Sunday, then it should be clear that he is likely headed out.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby BC/SLB » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:24 am

Still nothing official about Lima leaving, but various stories about the club already looking for replacements which would suggest they've accepted he's gonna go.

I'm not crazy about 2 of the stories/candidates I been reading today: Raul Jimenez and Abel Hernandez. Jimenez was a major flop at Atletico last season and they just looking to offload him. While Hernandez we were interested in last summer but he chose Hull city instead (what a great choice lol!) and failed to make any impression and got relegated in his first season. I haven't been impressed with what I've seen of either and I don't think theyd be adequate replacements for Lima.

I much prefer the idea of 2 other forwards we been linked with recently: Alexander Pato and Chicharito. The thing is Lima has been a guarantee of goals and he does get sold then we need to replace that guarantee.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Mdot » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:11 pm

There could still be a surprise this season if Di Maria goes to PSG and United feel Nico is the right replacement. That could lead to a Chicharito deal with Nico. However if another week or 2 passes, I think Nico will quickly be off the table. As they would first have to firm up Di Maria before going after our player.

As for Lima, we play again today, if Lima is again off the team, then I think it's a done deal. If he plays, that likely means the deal fell apart.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Ed Gomes » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:17 pm

I think that Benfica will like to somehow make a profit on Lima, but is also rewarding the player with a big last payout in the Middle East.

Pato is an interesting option for me. He really wasted his early years with to much partying, so I wonder if he's looking to get back to the big time. I'm sure he would prefer, in his mind, bigger then Benfica but we could be a great stepping stone.

Atletico is offloading Jimenez because they went out a got Vietto from Villarreal. Someone I would have liked for Benfica to go after. Jimenez is still 24 and could turn it around.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby Ed Gomes » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:20 pm

Preferably I would like to see Jonathan show well and take hold of that spot.

A couple of people Benfica should be looking into.
- Diego Rolan (22 yrs): Bordeaux - Ligue 1
- Michy Batshuayi (21 yrs): Marseille - Ligue 1
- Renaud Emond (23 yrs): Waasland-Beveren - Jupiter Pro League

On a side note, the formation and tactics for Fiorentina changed. Samaria and Fesja looked a lot like the Axel & Matic set up. Samaris stepping forward is what he used to play in Greece, so we'll see.
I want to see us playing with Jonas up top and Talisca sitting right behind him in a false 9 like spot.
At this point I really want us to hang onto Nico.

As a Man United follower, I would them to hold onto DiMaria and DeGea. Di Maria should be better, if his mind is in the right place. Unfortunately a lot of talk in him wanting out.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby BC/SLB » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:46 pm

Yeah preferably it would be best for us if Lima stayed. He's not a world class striker but he is dependable to score goals, is one of our more experienced and senior players and knows our style of play, and he formed a great partnership with Jonas last year. But i guess it's best to prepare for the fact that he's most likely going.

If he does go, I too hope Jonathan Rodriguez steps up and takes the opportunity. But even still we'd need to bring another striker in. Apparently another striker the club has been considering is Pablo Osvaldo, the Argentinian (but who plays for Italy NT) and would be available on a free. He is a talented forward from I've seen, but would be a risky signing as he's a notorious trouble maker at all the various clubs he's played for and has fallen out with various team mates and coaches.

I agree that it really is in our interest that Di Maria stays at Man united, because if he does leave them then it's expected that they will match Nico's release clause (and they can easily) as his replacement. Gaitan is the player we simply can't afford to lose at this point (especially with Salvio's injury apparently not looking good and he risks missing the whole season). I would be very worried if we lose Gaitan because I think he'd be the most difficult player to replace in our whole squad.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby matt34nj » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:25 pm

Sorry to go off topic, but I just have to say that I took a walk down Ferry Street (aka Portugal Ave) here in Newark this morning, and the place is already packed with Benfiquistas for the game tonight. I have met people from Toronto, Conneticut, Georgia, West Coast etc all hyped for the game.

If anybody wants to meet up email me at matt34nj@hotmail.com. I will be sitting in Section 224 Row 11. As of Friday, there were a ton of tickets available in the $45-50 price range on StubHub.

Since most of the regulars played against Fiorentina on Friday, I expect to see the likes of Marcal, Lisandro, Djuricic, Guedes, Cristante, Carcela, Tarrabt, etc. tonight. I cannot wait!!!
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2015

Postby BC/SLB » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:14 am

So what's our pre-season so far: lost to PSG's reserves, failed to beat a medium Serie A side and worst of all lost to an MLS team. I know pre-season is for experimenting and one mustn't take too much out of these games, but even still these results (considering the opposition) don't inspire confidence.

For me to really have confidence for next season, two things have to happen: firstly the club has to make a notable signing in attack to replace the goals of Lima (and I really mean a good striker who scores goals, not some of these average forwards we've been associated with recently). Secondly we simply have to hold on to Gaitan, the creative spark of the team and a big match player. If either of these 2 things fails to happen, I will not have a whole lot of expectation for the new season.

Fejsa just has to be a starter next season, whatever the formation of the team is going to be. The one game he's played so far we kept a clean sheet (even down to 10 men), the other 2 he didn't play and we conceded 3 and 2 goals respectively. We are so much more solid defensively with him there, no question about it.

Vitoria has had 3 games now to experiment and test out everyone, now we all wanna see some wins in the next couple of games coming up.
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